04年夺冠后的活塞被人严重低估,他们曾连续6年进入东决

2004年夺冠后的活塞被人严重低估，他们曾连续6年进入东部决赛

The 2004 Pistons championship makes people forget how underrated the Pistons team was as a whole

2004年活塞的夺冠让人们忘记了这支铁军曾经被低估到什么程度。

6 straight ECF finals apps, and even before Chauncey Billups came and they had Wallace/Stackhouse, 7 straight 50 win seasons with a, 60 win season. Also, this included instances where key players were traded. Larry Brown left in 06, yet they won over 50 games with a new coach. Sheed came a year later yet the team was still in the ECF. Wallace left in 07 yet the team won 59 games in 07/08.

连续6年闯入东部决赛，甚至在昌西-比卢普斯来之前，活塞阵中只有本-华莱士和斯塔克豪斯这样级别的球星；连续7年50胜，其中一年60胜。此外，这期间还有不少关键球员被交易。06年拉里-布朗离开活塞，但在新教练的执教下，活塞仍旧取得了50胜以上的战绩。又过了一年，本-华莱士离开活塞，球队依然闯入东决。07年拉希德-华莱士离开活塞，球队在07-08赛季还是拿到了59胜。 

I know the 04 finals will be the pinnacle of that team's success, and the thing everyone will remember them buy, but the dominance over that time span on the NBA with no HOF players is incredible and something we may never see again. Also, I haven't even gone onto the defensive dominance, some of the highest defensive ratings oat. I think the longevity of that Pistons team is underrated

我知道2004年总决赛是代表那支活塞成功的巅峰之作，广大球迷想起那支活塞也会第一反应想起04年的冠军。但活塞在没有名人堂球员的情况下长期展示出了统治力，这种平民球队的常青是难以置信的，我们可能再也看不到这样的成就了。另外，我还没好好说说他们在防守端的统治力，史上最高的防守效率值之类的。我认为活塞的常青被低估了。

[–][BOS] Semi Ojeleyeojeleye_superfan 637 指標 9小時前

rememeber when jerry stackhouse averaged 30/4/5 in 2000?

i didn't, but i looked it up and thats pretty nutty

还记得2000年场均30+4+5的斯塔克豪斯吗？

我不记得，但我翻到了这个数据，这可真挺不可思议的啊。

[–][DET] Bison Deledarko20mil 37 指標 7小時前

It's telling that the season after we swapped Stack for Rip launched our ECF run from 03-08. We were better off without a talented isolation player and instead utilizing team ball.

活塞球迷：用斯塔克豪斯交易来理查德-汉密尔顿之后，我们就拉开了03年到08年的连续东决之旅的序幕，这挺说明问题的。我们并不需要一个单打为先的天赋球员，相反，团队篮球更适合我们。

[–]RaptorsJagrFan88 66 指標 9小時前

He wasn't nearly as good as those stats would make you think. Don't let the numbers fool you

他并不像数据看上去那么牛逼，甚至都不接近这个水平，别让数据骗了你。

[–]Pistonsrake2204 256 指標 8小時前

Pretty classic case of stats not telling the whole story. That 2001 Pistons team was rough and that season more or less morphed into a case study on what happens when you just let a good (not great) scorer iso and shoot at will on a bad team.

Stackhouse's 30/4/5 looks neat on paper. His 24.1 shot attempts, .402 shooting percentage, and 4.1 turnovers do not.

活塞球迷：相当典型的数据骗人系列啊，2001年的活塞就没有什么像样的进攻战术，那个赛季就是典型的优秀得分手在烂队享有无限开火权的案例。

斯塔克豪斯的30+4+5看起来漂亮，不过他场均24.1次的出手，40.2的命中率和4.1个失误可不漂亮啊。

Many Pistons fans (and members of the media) who recall that era often conclude that his 2002 season far surpasses the outing prior. Took less shots, spread his effort across multiple facets of the game, adopted a leadership role, keyed a 50-win season and a playoff run as a result.

许多活塞球迷（以及媒体人员）回忆起那个时期常常得出结论，斯塔克豪斯2002赛季的表现远超过了之前的赛季。他减少了出手，在比赛的多个方面影响球队，发挥着领导作用。拿到了50胜，还开启了季后赛旅程。

[–]Lakerskinnayrberes 37 指標 5小時前

Was he better defensively in the '02 season vs the '01 season? Because his stats look almost the same across the board except he was scoring ~8 less ppg with a worse shooting percentage.

'00-'01: 29.8 PPG, 3.9 RPG, 5.1 APG, 1.2 SPG, .402/.351/.82

'01-'02: 21.4 PPG, 4.1 RPG, 5.3 APG, 1.0 SPG, .397/.287/.858

他02赛季比01赛季防守更出色吗？因为我看除了命中率下降并少得了8分，他的数据没啥变化啊。

00-01赛季：29.8分，3.9篮板，5.1助攻，1.2抢断，投篮命中率%：40.2/35.1/82.2

01-02赛季：21.4分，4.1篮板，5.3助攻，1.0抢断，投篮命中率%：39.7/28.7/85.8

[–]Pistonsrake2204 25 指標 5小時前

To be honest, just committing to taking seven less shots per game was a big step in the right direction, even if his efficiency remained mediocre.

活塞球迷：老实讲，即使他的效率一直上不来，只要保证每场比赛少出手7次就等于朝着正确的方向迈出了一大步。

He still wasn't a lockdown defender, but his mindset did at least seem to shift from “shoot at will” to “what can I do to help this club win?” Then again, it also helped that his supporting cast improved a little that year too (Clifford Robinson, Jon Barry).

02年的他依然不是一个盯防能力出色的防守者，但他的心态至少似乎从“瞎JB扔呗”变成了“我能为球队赢球做些什么？”同时，这也能让那年的角色球员有所进步（克里弗德-罗宾逊，琼-巴里）。

In addition, his efficiency was never great, but he was still dangerous under the right circumstances (like his fourth quarter barrage against Toronto in the first round). It's just, smaller overall doses was more fitting to his team's success.

另外，他的效率从来就没高过，但一旦状态来了，他依然是个危险人物（比如首轮对阵猛龙，他第四节的疯狂投射让对手无法招架）。总之，他不能过于疯也不能太过于消极，中等的剂量对于球队的成功是最合适的。

Sounds weird to say now, but his value was high enough following 2002 that a lot of people (myself included) were surprised the Pistons only got Richard Hamilton in return for him in the offseason.

现在听起来很奇怪，但是他的价值在2002年后还是足够高的，以致于许多人（包括我在内）都惊讶斯塔克豪斯竟然只换来了汉密尔顿。

[–]LakersDannyMoltisanti[S] 535 指標 10小時前

Also, I forgot to add, it may have been even longer if they picked Melo/Wade/Bosh in the 03 draft

楼主：还有一句我忘了补充，如果活塞在03年选秀大会上选中安东尼/韦德/波什三人任意一人的话，也许可以这个纪录还能更长。

[–]PistonsAZF1 634 指標 9小時前

D E L E T E

活塞球迷：请 删 掉。

[–]RaptorsToronto416ix 301 指標 9小時前

was that too darko for you?

这对你们来说太黑暗了吗？[译注1]

[译注1]：darko是米利西奇的名字，和dark写法相近。达科-米利西奇在2003年选秀大会首轮第2顺位被活塞选中，生涯先后效力过活塞、魔术、灰熊、尼克斯、森林狼和凯尔特人，场均贡献6.0分4.2篮板1.3盖帽。

[–][CHI] John SalmonsThonMaker_KDplusKG 72 指標 9小時前

[–]76ersDennis__Reynolds 51 指標 7小時前

No way Cavs don't take Lebron lol. That would be very Cleveland of them tho

骑士不可能不选詹姆斯啦哈哈。不过不选詹姆斯倒是件非常克利夫兰的事。

[–]Pistonstimtamtumyum 35 指標 7小時前

Remember, we traded for Rasheed Wallace that year, so I'm not sure if that trade goes through if we have a rookie that's ready to play right away. Sheed was massive for us throughout that whole era, so I'm glad things worked out the way they did, though there's always gonna be some "what if"...

活塞球迷：别忘了，我们当年交易来了拉希德-华莱士，算是因祸得福吧，所以我不确定如果当时我们阵中已经有一名准备好随时上场的新秀，这笔交易是否会发生。拉希德-华莱士在活塞的整个时期对我们来说都是巨大的财富，我也很高兴看到他们最终用他们的方式实现了冠军梦。不过“如果”总是让人浮想联翩......

[–]tamazingg 12 指標 6小時前

Who knows, you guys did have Prince, so Melo (the likeliest pick imo) would have probably come off the bench. Maybe you guys would have started the small ball trend early, having Prince or Melo play the 4.

谁知道呢，你们确实有普林斯，所以安东尼（我认为最有可能选到的）打替补也行啊。也许你们可以让普林斯或者甜瓜打四，更早掀起小球浪潮。

[–]Cavaliers Bandwagonperrbear 11 指標 4小時前

Melo and darko were the only two options at #2. Having melo as the 6th man scorer makes me rockhard. Definitely coulda contested with the big 3 celtics

骑士球迷：当时的2号签只会考虑安东尼和米利西奇。光是想想甜瓜打第六人得分手就让我湿了一裤裆。要选了甜瓜，活塞后来肯定能和凯尔特人三巨头扳扳手腕。

[–]Lakersohohlook 21 指標 9小時前

This. I remember how we all marveled at Billups making 6 straight ECF. He often talks about the toll that took and how hard it was. Also, they won 50+ game for 8 straight years with a couple of 60+ seasons.

湖人球迷：没错。我仍记得大家对比卢普斯连续6次闯入东部决赛的壮举赞叹不已。他经常谈论为此付出了多少代价以及获得这样的成就是多么的困难。此外，他们连续8年拿到了50+胜，并且有两年拿到60+胜。

[–]MysterYouMe 42 指標 7小時前

That Billups, rip, tayshaun prince, and Wallace duo lineup was my favorite.

比卢普斯，汉密尔顿，普林斯和双华莱士这套阵容是我的最爱。

[–][DET] Walter Herrmanntikihut_wut 93 指標 9小時前

we were so damn close to repeating in 2005 too...god i miss those days

活塞球迷：2005年我们是如此接近卫冕......上帝啊，真想念那些时光。

[–]PistonsArchAngelN7 35 指標 7小時前

Fuck Robert horry man.

活塞球迷：憋说了，都赖他娘的罗伯特-霍里。

[–]SunsMargravos 18 指標 6小時前

Amen

太阳球迷：楼上说出了我的心声。

[–]Erected_naps 13 指標 7小時前

As a heat fan my hatred for the piston really grew in the early 2000s it felt so good in 06 when we were finally able to make it past the pistons.

作为一名热蜜，我对活塞的仇恨植根于新禧年初期，终于在06年，我们跨过了活塞这座大山，那个感觉倍儿爽。

[–][DET] Ben Wallacepenisbacon 6 指標 1小時前

early Dwade was impossible to stop without hand checks. i hated him back then lol

活塞球迷：早期的韦德在没有handchecks的情况根本就防不住。那时候我真是讨厌他哈哈哈。

[–]PistonsTangen 31 指標 7小時前

And now look at us!

活塞球迷：想想当年的活塞，再看看现在的我们！

[–]HornetsLaFlurry 52 指標 7小時前

Blake History Month was good while it lasted

黑人历史月期间的表现还是不错的，虽然没多长时间。

[–]WarriorsSpecCRA 6 指標 2小時前

You stomped the Lakers in the finals. I don't care what year it is. That's a tremendous victory in itself.

你们可是在总决赛打败了湖人啊。今年是哪一年并不重要，总决赛击败湖人夺冠够你们吹一辈子了。

[–][DET] Darko Milicicwhere_aremy_pants 73 指標 7小時前

Growing up i just assumed the Pistons made the ECF every year... this last decade has been a rude awakening :/

活塞球迷：在我渐渐长大的日子里，我一直以为活塞每年都会闯进东决......可是过去的这十年让这一切突然幻灭：/

[–]cena679 163 指標 10小時前

Ben Wallace should be a hall of famer

本-华莱士应该入选名人堂。

[–]Celticstheultimatebitch 34 指標 9小時前

why isn't he?

他不是名人堂球员？为什么?

[–][OKC] Russell WestbrookDylanisWavy 67 指標 9小時前

I believe he only recently became eligible.

他一定是刚符合入选资格吧。

[–][POR] Geoff PetrieTheGourmet9 35 指標 6小時前

He was eligible last year and this year and didn't get in. Which is crazy to me, he's like the 2000's version of Rodman as far as defensive impact.

他去年和今年都符合条件，不过并没有入选。这让我要怀疑人生了，在防守影响力方面，他就是21世纪的罗德曼啊。

[–]joshuagreen38 11 指標 9小時前

Since players like Webber and agguire aren't in and they are better then Ben Wallace

因为还有比如韦伯和马克-奥古尔这样的球员还没入选呢，他们比本-华莱士更牛逼。[译注2]

[译注2]：马克-奥古尔是1981年NBA选秀状元。他是一位得分狂，职业生涯前7年在达拉斯度过，89年来到活塞，加盟了以比尔-兰比尔为首的“坏孩子军团”，并随活塞队夺得两次NBA总冠军，职业生涯三次被选入NBA全明星阵容。

[–]cena679 52 指標 7小時前

Ben Wallace was the best defensive player by far during his time in the nba, plus Webber will get in

本-华莱士可是当年在役期间内联盟最好的防守球员，补充一句韦伯入选名人堂没跑。

[–][CLE] LeBron JamesOsamaBinShaq 72 指標 10小時前

I feel like they were unfortunately overshadowed by other championship teams with more flashy or eye-catching play styles, or by just other flat-out superstars like Duncan, Kobe, Shaq, Dirk, and to a degree Wade and LeBron. That mid 2000s era had a lot of fun teams and I think Detroit, while undoubtedly an amazing, talented team, didn't really have that same appeal. I'd been to a few Pistons games during that era and I absolutely loved the way they played, particularly Sheed. But without a superstar or flashiness, and with a commitment to defense, it's gonna be hard to build that type of aura up.

骑士球迷：我觉得活塞的光芒很不幸地被其他比赛风格更华丽或更吸引眼球的冠军球队掩盖了，或者被邓肯、科比、奥尼尔、诺维斯基尤其是韦德和勒布朗这样的超级明星抢了风头。21世纪头十年中期有很多有意思的球队，尽管我认为底特律无疑是一支了不起的天才球队，但他们并不具有同样的吸引力。在那个时期我看过几场活塞的比赛，我非常喜欢他们的比赛风格，特别是拉希德-华莱士。但是，如果没有超级明星或者劲爆的表现，只是老老实实的防守，那么就很难有吸引人的招牌。

[–]Celticsmr_duong567 27 指標 7小時前

Didnt help that it was really only the Nets Pistons and Pacers as the only good championship caliber teams in the East from 2001-2005. After that, you maybe had Some single all-star teams like the Sixers, Celtics, Raptors, Bucks, or Magic.

凯尔特人球迷：2001年到2005年的东部，只有篮网、活塞和步行者算是仅有的冠军水准的球队，所以活塞人气不高跟东部的羸弱也有关。之后你能看到的就都是像76人，凯尔特人，猛龙，雄鹿或者魔术这样的单核全明星带队的球队了。

[–][CLE] LeBron JamesOsamaBinShaq 4 指標 6小時前

Agreed, and while those teams could contend, the West was just dominating and winning like all the championships; another reason why they are less remembered.

骑士球迷：同意，还有就是这些球队虽然算是争冠球队，但西部几乎完全碾压夺冠不给东部任何机会；这也是他们不被人们记住的另一个原因。